tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post5821338175522129079..comments2024-01-18T04:37:03.214-05:00Comments on Rustbelt Intellectual: RUSTBELT PLACE OF THE WEEK: CLEVELANDTom Shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02186723526374103977noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post-55425193609015952252008-09-23T22:54:00.000-04:002008-09-23T22:54:00.000-04:00Gregory Just an FYI. The statement that Minneapol...Gregory <BR/>Just an FYI. The statement that Minneapolis is the capital of Minnesota is....incorrect. It's St. Paul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post-42225628785190143662008-06-30T20:49:00.000-04:002008-06-30T20:49:00.000-04:00Though I grew up outside Cleveland and visited sev...Though I grew up outside Cleveland and visited several times in my youth, I only recently learned from a PBS special that the notorious Cuyahoga River fire of 1969 was only one of dozens (perhaps hundreds, many unreported) of fires on the river through the 20th century. I can't find a direct link to the fascinating show on local reclamation efforts, but <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_River#Fires" REL="nofollow">here's a link</A> that points out the longer picture.Vagueryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13410026802332846187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post-74900369957773122732008-06-22T21:11:00.000-04:002008-06-22T21:11:00.000-04:00Thanks for the kind words, CJ. If it's any consol...Thanks for the kind words, CJ. If it's any consolation, I just spaced the capital of Alabama on my blog - and I've actually been to Montgomery several times.The Urbanophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094204641794131438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post-88611235107700422582008-06-22T15:53:00.000-04:002008-06-22T15:53:00.000-04:00Wow, that's embarrassing. I should have double-che...Wow, that's embarrassing. I should have double-checked Detroit. Thanks for the facts about Indianapolis. <BR/><BR/>Also thanks for posting--I hadn't known about your blog until now, and I really like it. I'm amazed about Louisville electric rail system.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14258499680221211914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post-29464235627252132982008-06-22T13:20:00.000-04:002008-06-22T13:20:00.000-04:00CJ, look at population growth, jobs, college degre...CJ, look at population growth, jobs, college degree attainment, etc. Indianapolis is very close to Columbus, Ohio. The population growth of Indianapolis is #1 in the Midwest among metros of > 1 million, with a rate of 1.5% per year, 50% higher than the national average. It is also one of only a handful of major Midwest metros with net domestic in-migration, though I suspect much of this is disguised international migration (i.e., Latinos moving there from traditional gateway areas instead of directly from out of the country). Indy has its manifest problems to be sure, but by Midwest standards it is doing well.<BR/><BR/>Detroit is not the state capital.<BR/><BR/>The places that are both state capitals and have an MSA population exceeding 500,000 are:<BR/><BR/>- Minneapolis<BR/>- Indianapolis<BR/>- Columbus<BR/>- Des Moines<BR/>- Madison<BR/><BR/>All of these appear to be doing well, especially by Midwest standards.<BR/><BR/>The only other > 500K metros in the Midwest I would describe as doing well are Kansas City and Chicago. Chicago is a special case.<BR/><BR/>The other state capitals are smaller and have not become major economic hubs (e.g., Springfield, Illinois)The Urbanophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094204641794131438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post-14107565771556314522008-06-22T01:02:00.000-04:002008-06-22T01:02:00.000-04:00Indianapolis? Really? I hadn't known. Any more det...Indianapolis? Really? I hadn't known. Any more detail on that (other than what's on wikipedia, which I just read). What's going on there?<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure I buy your rule of thumb. Detroit (as far as I know) is hurting bad while it has way more than 500,000, but Madison is doing alright even though it's smaller. What examples were you thinking of for that rule?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14258499680221211914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post-57965231223107690042008-06-21T20:15:00.000-04:002008-06-21T20:15:00.000-04:00If you are going to count Columbus, Ohio as succes...If you are going to count Columbus, Ohio as successful, you'd probably have to include Indianapolis in Indiana. Those two towns are the real "twin cities" of the Midwest, and have been on similar growth trajectories.<BR/><BR/>I've noticed that if you are a Midwest state capital with a metro area population of > 500,000, you are doing pretty well. Almost everybody else is hurting bad.The Urbanophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094204641794131438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post-46136879561833907122008-06-21T12:22:00.000-04:002008-06-21T12:22:00.000-04:00It's true that the prognosis for cities like Cleve...It's true that the prognosis for cities like Cleveland is mixed, at best. And many of the smaller cities like those you mention have even fewer assets to attract people or investment. That said, our powers of prediction are fallible at best. A Brookings Institution study of distressed cities published in the early 1970s ranked Detroit and Boston as two of the top three (I've forgotten the third now). No one in 1970 could have predicted that the rough-and-tumble, rundown, deindustrialized capital of MA would ever come back. It was a grim place. So whatever we can say about Cleveland, its future is uncertain.Tom Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02186723526374103977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1057646105981087139.post-68988026463005083972008-06-21T02:28:00.000-04:002008-06-21T02:28:00.000-04:00It's interesting to contrast Cleveland with the de...It's interesting to contrast Cleveland with the development of some of the smaller midwestern towns, where very similar stuff happened on a smaller scale. Pretty much exactly the same stuff in fact. A town near my hometown was small, but had two very well-off families in a dual for local prominence by building bigger and better facilities for the town. Those families moved away eventually, or at least so I guess since no one's made any mention of anything they did since the 1960's or 70's.<BR/><BR/>I'm afraid I'm not entirely sure I see the hope you see for their future though. In Indiana and Michigan I'm not sure if any big city has fared well over the past 30 years, and in Ohio only Columbus seems to have been doing well for itself. And it's unclear how to replicate that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14258499680221211914noreply@blogger.com